I know I've said this before Jordan, but this really is one of your best podcasts. You and Chris hit the nail on the head about the charismatic experience and how you react when you "feel nothing" while everybody else around you is "in the Spirit." It's devastating, how dependent the movement is upon external signs and internal emotionalism.
Your talk at the end took a turn towards the Lutheran (and early Reformed) doctrine of vocation. May I suggest you consider a full show on that topic in the future? It makes a huge difference in how Christians look at their daily lives before God.
As a former praise band musician, I can verify that crowds are intentionally manipulated by crafted rhetoric and carefully crafted music.
...we never considered it that way at the time, but that is exactly what it was. What I once foolishly called a holy work and the move of the Spirit, I now see for what it clearly is: propaganda in a church service.
You know what I enjoyed about this show? It addresses so many issues that afflict us normal Joe Citizen. Yeah, the 'deep theology' is good but this sort of discussion hits many real life daily issues right on the head! Awesome!
When you take away liturgy and sacrament, you're going to end up with people seeking after some other sort of "experience". This video hits the nail right on the head:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za-2OkE0BVk
Unfortunately, folks like MacArthur, who is himself as anti-liturgical and anti-sacramental as you can get, are part of the problem. His brand of "worship" consists solely of him shouting at people (or "expositing" as he likes to call it). It's no wonder disaffected fundies began turning to Pentecostalism in search of a "more spiritual experience" than the torturechambers that fundy churches often are. Of course, if they REALLY want to experience the Spirit they ought to come to a liturgical/sacramental church instead.
I was joined by Chris Rosebrough of Fighting for the Faith to discuss the recent Strange Fire conference.
I know I've said this before Jordan, but this really is one of your best podcasts. You and Chris hit the nail on the head about the charismatic experience and how you react when you "feel nothing" while everybody else around you is "in the Spirit." It's devastating, how dependent the movement is upon external signs and internal emotionalism.
ReplyDeleteYour talk at the end took a turn towards the Lutheran (and early Reformed) doctrine of vocation. May I suggest you consider a full show on that topic in the future? It makes a huge difference in how Christians look at their daily lives before God.
Great job and thanks for the great roundtable!
As a former praise band musician, I can verify that crowds are intentionally manipulated by crafted rhetoric and carefully crafted music.
ReplyDelete...we never considered it that way at the time, but that is exactly what it was. What I once foolishly called a holy work and the move of the Spirit, I now see for what it clearly is: propaganda in a church service.
You know what I enjoyed about this show? It addresses so many issues that afflict us normal Joe Citizen.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the 'deep theology' is good but this sort of discussion hits many real life daily issues right on the head! Awesome!
Stef
How'd I miss this ??
ReplyDeleteWhen you take away liturgy and sacrament, you're going to end up with people seeking after some other sort of "experience". This video hits the nail right on the head:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za-2OkE0BVk
Unfortunately, folks like MacArthur, who is himself as anti-liturgical and anti-sacramental as you can get, are part of the problem. His brand of "worship" consists solely of him shouting at people (or "expositing" as he likes to call it). It's no wonder disaffected fundies began turning to Pentecostalism in search of a "more spiritual experience" than the torturechambers that fundy churches often are. Of course, if they REALLY want to experience the Spirit they ought to come to a liturgical/sacramental church instead.